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South bashers & Confederate flag haters need to consider the following fact. There was no difference in the societies of the 13 states of the original colonies of the United States & those of the 13 Southern states of the Confederacy. It is hypocritical to embrace everything about the first & reject everything about the second. Confederate flags stood for everything the Betsy Ross flag of 1776 stood for & I defy anyone to prove there is a difference.

Billy E. Price
Ashville, Al.

Roberta,

Your editorial http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060429/OPINION02/604290309/1022 does not mention the issues that were at issue during the War to Prevent Southern Independence. The fact that you used the phrase "YOU lost, get over it." indicates that you are not a Southerner, in case anyone had any doubts.

The truth of the matter is that the Constitution lost as a result of that war.

The US Constitution, specified that habeas corpus could be suspended ONLY by CONGRESS for a limited period of time during national emergencies, not by the Executive for an indefinite period of time.

The US Constitution forbade the federal government to invade any sovereign state.

The US Constitution forbade the division of any state (Virginia).

The US Constitution did not allow arrest and incarceration of state legislators (Maryland) simply because of belief that they would vote on an issue in a way that did not favor the interests of the United States.

The US Constitution did NOT forbid secession. As proof of this consider the fact that one of the texts that were used to instruct cadets at West Point specifically stated this. Consider also the fact that Jefferson Davis was held in federal prison for the purpose of being tried for treason while the US government searched unsuccessfully for any lawyer who would take the case. None being found, Davis was released for that reason alone.

All of these so-called "safeguards" of the US Constitution were lost when the Empire of the North succeeded in suppressing the fight for freedom and liberty by the South. The fact that the South lost the war does NOT mean that the South was wrong, nor does it mean that the quest for liberty will cease simply because might won out. The struggle continues. The fact that Hitler was temporarily successful did not guarantee his victory in perpetuity. Other tyrants have also been overthrown, although it sometimes takes more time than seems right to the freedom-lovers. Just as the Roman Empire was ultimately defeated, the US Empire will also see defeat. The US Empire is following the same steps to defeat that the Roman Empire did. Deterioration of standards, loss of national language, loss of national identity, failure to protect its borders, etc. Read "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire." It may improve your understanding of the issues. Failure to learn from history dooms people to repeat it. Although the CSA did not prevail in its quest for adherence to the US Constitution, neither did the Constitution itself. In its victory, the USA destroyed its own Constitution.

GM Forsythe

Editor:

I would like to respond to Mr. Ross' recent letter about the Confederate flag being “ridiculous if not treasonous.”

I believe his choice of words are a combination of opinion and uneducated ignorance. Ridiculousness is in the eye of the beholder. My great-great-grandfather (who owned no slaves) left his home and seven children at age 42 to oppose Lincoln's army who had invaded his home territory. Lincoln, in doing so, violated several provisions of the Constitution he swore to protect and defend.

My ancestor survived the war, albeit with his left arm so mangled by a rifle bullet it was useless for the remainder of his 45 years. Since he fought under that flag, I do not consider it the least bit ridiculous. In fact, I hold it in high esteem because it's my heritage.

No one from the South was ever convicted of treason, although Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America, coveted a trial. He wanted to put his life on the line to be able to prove how many provisions of the Constitution Lincoln violated, some in violation of specific rulings of the Supreme Court. As eager as Andrew Johnson's Cabinet was to punish the South, after spending a few years in prison, Jefferson Davis was freed.

So where was the treason? Secession? The Constitution clearly gave every state the right to break its bonds with the United States. In fact, several states today have, in their state constitution, the right to secede from the Union.

I believe Mr. Ross needs a few more courses in accurate history.

Vaughn B. Hickman
Knoxville, TN
(formerly of Tucson)

South Carolinians! Beware! The scalawag David Beasley is running for the U.S. Senate.

No way can we forget the traitor he was as the Gov. He started the move to bring the flag down "after he ran on it!" He said GOD told him to "take down that flag!" - Blasphemy! We voted his sorry butt out before.. let's do it again! And shame on the Republican's for bringing the rat back out from his hole! Mission Completed!

Dear Fellow Southerners,

I feel it is our GOD given right to protect and preserve our

southern heritage. Not for hate or racism but for our future.

Other races can display their heritage. Why not the South?

Does their heritage offend me? I think not. We must protect

our heritage. Should our future generations grow up without knowing from where they came?

David

ALABAMA

SIR I WANTED TO SAY GOOD SITE. YOU SHOW THE FACTS ON THE SOUTH AND GET A POINT ACROSS THAT IT DOES NOT MEAN HATE OR NAZI OR KKK. I MYSELF AM A DEDICATED CHRISTIAN AT FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF WINTER PARK FL. MY PREACHER THERE HAS FAMILY AND SO DO I THAT HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED IN THE WAR. WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FLAG AT ALL. I HAVE THEM UP IN MY ROOM. HEY GOD BLESS AND KEEP IT UP. TO EVERYONE PRAY FOR THIS NATION THAT GOD WILL BLESS IT. GOD BLESS THE SOUTH.

A great website for all true southerners.

I must say I am extremely proud of all the people in Georgia who have fought, protested, picketed, Etc. in support of the true Georgia flag and while I am not a Georgia native I wish I were there to offer you my support. However, I am also proud of my Confederate heritage of S.C. and can relate to your woes.

Recently I am truly ashamed how S.C. politicians caved to the NAACP and all those people when they ambushed the state with cries of "hate" and "racism" and threatened to boycott the state because a Confederate flag flew atop the capital in remembrance of our fallen family members. In my opinion the NAACP blackmailed the state to get what they wanted and that is a pretty sorry way to accomplish something. After that the little respect I had for the NAACP has vanquished.

Furthermore Georgia's rotten, stinkin, liar Governors have so few morals and such a lack of disrespect for there majority voters I too would be madder than hell. The south and it's icon's have always fallen victim to anyone and anything that has a complaint and we let them have what they want so we don't have to confront them. Enough is Enough. First our flags, then our heritage. Now what's next?

I'm tired of people dumping on Dixie and I proud of the few of us that stand up to say "NO MORE". It's no longer about just flags and what they are reputed to represent. We all know what this battle is truly for. So let's send a message to Atlanta, and to Columbia, and to the rest of America. Don't mess with Dixie. Support the South. Let's fly our Confederate flag proudly and defiantly just as our forefathers did in the War for Southern Independence.

I think that this is one of the greatest websites on the internet because of the historical accuracy concerning the War of Northern Aggression. Please keep this website up and running so Americans can see the real reasons why the South was motivated to secede from the Union.

Great site, really captures the history of the Confederate States of America. The confederacy is about pride, pride in being a southerner and pride in the history of those who went before us. I am a college student, live in East Texas, born and raised in Houston, parents are from Louisiana and one of my distant relatives fought under the Louisiana Tiger batallion in Northern Virginia. Great site, keep up the good work.
PS - Flying the Confederate Flag is not a crime
-Ryan

Sir; I have a 30 foot flag pole with a 4x6 battle flag in my yard. This is an aluminum pole, and very durable. I never see anything about the lawsuit in Texas about the plaques the then governor george bush took from our capitol in the middle of the night on Friday after all workers had left work. We stand with you and all compatriots.
I live in east Texas. My g-grandfather fought in the 5th Arkansas infantry. He fought all through the great state of Georgia, and his wife was from Georgia. He was wounded at Chickamauga and was in Macon hospital. I have to put my meager dollars into our lawsuit, but i wanted you to know the battle flag flies over Texas. I apologize for the Texans who elected him governor. Please remember, that he is not a Texan, or a southerner Respectfully, F. Langston

After giving it careful consideration I believe we should advise the naacp that there is a racist federal agency they have overlooked and they need to take action posthaste.

The ATF is the guilty party. Everywhere else in America I can buy a car, house, groceries, or anything else I want without having to disclose my race. However if I go to buy a firearm, the ATF form "requires" that I list my race! This is an outrage and the naacp should do something immediately to find out why the ATF wants to know if the person buying the firearm is black. They should boycott the ATF until they stop this flagrant racial profiling.

Jim DeArman
Jacksonville

Great website full of great material.....well-researched. I refer to your site often and would hate to see it removed from the 'net. Keep up the good work!
Greg

I think Your site is great, I am from TEXAS, although I live in Washington now, my heart will always be in the South. My Great- Great Grandfather was a Confederate Soldier from Mississippi, He fought for his freedom and choice. THE SOUTH'S GONNA DO IT AGAIN!!!

Joanne Hare

I love your site! It is one of the most informative southern sites I have found.
Though I was born in Minnesota and reared in California, I am now a citizen of Texas. I have long admired the southern traditions and consider myself a southerner by choice. I look forward to the day when the south will be free of the oppressive central government.
THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT!

Kevin Thompson Replied to Mark Bradley,

Your column on Tue. April 18 made me want to just cry for all the innocent
people that the evil John Rocker hurt. I just love how you and your colleagues very sinisterly attempt to shape and mold public opinion with your columns. Did you weep for the pitiful state of society when JR.. received a standing ovation recently. It just proves that the majority of Americans do not hold your opinion about Mr. Rocker.

You said he "hurt a lot of people". Really. Who? Did he try to strangle his
coach? Did he attack an official ? Did he beat his wife ? Rape or kill anyone ?
No, all he did was voice his opinion about the state of affairs in NY and the nation in general. You voice your opinion daily in the AJC, and the only
majority your opinion is in is the majority of the mainstream media. The only thing you and your colleagues didn't call Mr. Rocker, is a liar. I wonder why. Why don't you stick to writing about the games instead of attempting to decide whom everyone should or should not like.

You wrote "He did damage to the cause of diversity". Really, how? aren't there still just as many foreigners in this country now, as there was before his comments in S I (probably more). Has there suddenly been a mass shutdown of all the "gay" bars in Atlanta ? Has there been hordes of foreigners going back overseas because they're afraid that Mr. Rocker doesn't approve of them ? Have the Judges started keeping the drug dealers and thieves in jail because of his
comments ? What about young unwed mothers, have they stopped having litters of baby's that they expect the taxpayers to support because of his comments ? The answer is no. No they haven't, because his comments do not matter. No more
than my comments matter to you or any one else. The truth is that you, and those of your ilk are afraid that more Americans will start expressing how they really feel about such subjects, and you certainly don't want that. Because you want to perpetrate the myth that the majority of Americans embrace your " diversity".

It's truly a shame that the columnists of the AJC is so 100% leftist.
Journalists are supposed to be objective and unbiased, which you and your colleagues are not. You make a mockery out of the term objective journalism.

Kevin Thompson

Curtis R. Edwards wrote:
It seems all we hear is how racist the Southern
Confederate flags are. and how the War Between The
States started over the sole issue of slavery. The
KKK and others since the fifties have used our flags
and emblems for other purposes than to promote the
true meanings behind these flags. This nation is
made up of multiracial and cultures, It is of my
humble opinion, that each of us, all of us, have
an equal right to remember and honor our heritage
in whatever ways we so choose, even flying the flags
of our culture and of our heritage. To deny the Confederate
flag to fly, is to deny the Civil War ever happened in the first
place, but History can not be changed in any form. Hundreds
of battle fields and government owned parks dot our nation's
landscape concerning the War Between the States, yet, only
the US flag is allowed to fly. Every working American's federal
tax dollars goes to maintain these sites, which include all the
Southern states. If the Southern tax dollars goes to help maintain
these sites, then why can not the Confederate flag also be
allowed to fly in conjunction with the Union Flag. After all, all
people come to these locations to see and view a piece of
American History, not just one side of it. Every true southerner
who had ancestors that fought in this conflict, should be very
appalled that their ancestors flag does not also wave over
these national shrines, parks and battlefields.

Why is it, that the NAACP wants every right they can
get, while at the same time, wants us Southerners to
give up our history in the process, and so many want
to be so Politically Correct, they're nothing but gutless wonders.
Thank You
Curtis R. Edwards

Benjamin M. Hestley July 6, 1911
Standing under a canopy bedecked with the stars and stripes, St. Clair
County men of the old 58th Alabama Regiment were surprised when Lt. Col.
John W. Inzer slowly unwrapped a package containing the 58th Alabama
Regimental Flag. The Confederate Veterans in reunion at Odenville,
Alabama watched as Col Inzer unfurled their
regimental Flag and with tears in their eyes they, one by one, lifted the
flag to their lips. This flag was secreted by the standard bearer when
the 58th was captured at Missionary Ridge. The flag bearer took the flag
from its pole and folded so he could wrap it around his body underneath
his coat. He broke the pole and hid it from the Yankees. This flag was
kept in secret through three long years as a prisoner and upon his return
home he presented it to Col Inzer. Col. Inzer brought the flag out at
this reunion so the some 50 Confederate Veterans could see it. One old
white headed veteran literally wiped the tears from his eyes with the
flag. What a glorious and moving sight that must have been.
Provided by Benjamin M. Hestley

How Dare They?
by Larry L. Beane II (beanefonda@mindspring.com)

[Permission granted to reprint without edits (unless approved by author). -
LB]

One by one, the names were read. It took an entire weekend to get
through them all. Solemnly, each known soldier from South Carolina was
honored by having his name and rank read aloud, followed by the tolling of a
bell.
The record of the known dead of South Carolina's military personnel who
gave their lives for their state and nation in the War of 1861-1865 contains
more than 18,000 names. This does not include the approximately 8,000
fallen veterans from the Palmetto State who are yet unknown.
On the weekend of 7-8 January 2000, on the steps of the Capitol, this
labor of love was carried on by volunteers. Some were descendants of these
very men who gave all when their country called. Half-hour shifts of
readers and bell-ringers chanted this somber litany throughout the night.
Neither cold, nor isolation, nor darkness, nor the profane gestures and
heckling of the hateful deterred the volunteers from ensuring that each and
every soldier, sailor, and marine whose name is known was remembered and
honored - if only for one second.
One second of recognition is precious little in exchange for a life.
Every chime of the bell represented a uniformed serviceman whose earthly
existence was snuffed out all too soon - either in raging battle or in a
lonely POW camp. Each one of these men served honorably and gave all to
South Carolina. They died of musket shots, saber wounds, cannon fire, and
bayonet injuries. They suffered, struggled for life, some suffocated on
their own blood, and many had arms and legs hacked off with saws in
desperate attempts to preserve their lives. In the haze of their anguish,
these men cried out for their wives, children, mothers, and fathers. They
proclaimed their love of God, of hearth and home, state and country, and of
their families - even as their lifeblood flowed out of them, and as they
drew their last labored breaths.
Some died not on battlefields, but in prisons. Some, after suffering
cold, heat, disease, filth, brutality of captors, and starvation for months
in places like Elmira, Point Lookout, Camp Douglas, Fort Delaware, and many,
many others - thousands of these men succumbed to death - even when those
deaths were preventable. These men were truly extraordinary, as they could
have left the brutal concentration camps upon merely taking an oath to the
government of their enemies. Very few took this traitorous step - even to
preserve their own lives. None of the men whose names were read that
January weekend opted for life over honor.
In alphabetical order, the seemingly endless mortal census rolled on.
General officers and private soldiers - and every rank in between - were
recognized for their ultimate sacrifices. Some came from well-known wealthy
families, and others were poor and middle class South Carolinians. The
names were read from a lectern only feet removed from a statue of George
Washington - a statue still bearing the scars of the vandalism of the
invading Union troops. The readers and bell-ringers looked down the steps
of the State Capitol facing Main Street - which was completely engulfed in
flames the night of 17 February 1865. During that phase of the war against
the women and children of South Carolina, homes, hospitals, churches, and
convents were burned to the ground. Helpless patients, orphans, and old
people struggled to escape the flames - while Sherman's merciless troops cut
the fire hoses. The names being read from the Capitol did not include the
civilians who were murdered by the United States troops that horrific night.
Between the street and the Capitol - standing like a marble sentinel
listening silently to the constant drone of names and chimes - is an
imposing monument. It was erected in 1879 - only three years after the
twelve-year military occupation of South Carolina had ended. This memorial
was completely financed by the ladies of South Carolina. It depicts a
Confederate soldier looking over the destruction of Main Street.
Inscriptions on two sides of the base serve as a time capsule, written by a
generation of proud, but weary, Americans - conquered in war, yet
unconquered in spirit. A message from that generation which witnessed
nearly one-fourth of its manhood killed in defense of liberty is engraved -
addressed to us, in the year 2000: a generation that has never known want,
war, or a defense of our homes and families against an aggressive foreign
country. The message is for us: the affluent, the ignorant, the
complacent - those who have come to take freedom for granted, those who have
forgotten the sacrifices of our ancestors to preserve our liberty. The
message should be pondered every day by people who value their freedom and
need to be reminded of the great cost at which constitutional liberty was
purchased. We also need to be reminded of what happens to people when that
freedom is infringed by those with no regard for constitutional liberty, the
rights of man, the integrity of the states, nor even the sanctity of homes
peopled by peaceful and defenseless women and children.

The inscription reads:

This monument perpetuates the memory of those who true to the
instincts of their birth, faithful to the teachings of their fathers,
constant in their love of their State, died in the performance of their
duty: who have glorified a fallen cause by the simple manhood of their
lives. The patient endurance of suffering, and the heroism of death, and
who in the dark hours of imprisonment, in the hopelessness of the hospital,
in the short sharp agony of the field, found support and consolation in the
belief that at home they would not be forgotten.
Let the stranger who may in future times read this inscription
recognize that these were men whom power could not corrupt, whom death could
not terrify, whom defeat could not dishonor, and let their virtues plead for
just judgment of the course in which they perished. Let the South
Carolinian of another generation remember that the State taught them how to
live and how to die, and from her broken fortunes she has preserved for her
children the priceless treasures of their memories, teaching all who may
claim the same birthright.

In light of such valor, how dare anyone attack the monuments to those
who sacrificed all? How dare the NAACP - whose leaders fly first class,
drive luxury cars, take expensive vacations, and pay themselves hundreds of
thousands of dollars - claim the monuments to these fallen soldiers
"offends" them? How dare they claim to be "oppressed" in this land of
plenty and opportunity? Where is the "oppression" when their leaders make
more money than the president of the United States? Where is the
"oppression" in light of their criminal financial scandals and political
intrigue? Instead of focusing on social problems plaguing black Americans -
which are largely self-inflicted - the NAACP has declared war on all
Confederate monuments - including the monument whose inscription is cited
above, as well as its companion - the Memorial Confederate Flag that flies
over the capitol dome in silent, dignified honor of the veterans and
civilians who gave all. While Confederate soldiers perished in battle or
survived to a life of poverty and reconstruction, members of the modern-day
NAACP sniff that they will take their vast economic empire (being
"oppressed" as they are) and spend it on vacations and tourism in other
states. Are they completely ignorant of the profound irony of this
situation?
And how dare biased newspaper reporters and editors - who likewise live
in unprecedented luxury and wealth - declare war on the symbols of these
heroes? Journalists who sit in comfortable, climate-controlled,
multi-million dollar offices, safely tapping away their lockstep message of
hatred from behind a computer screen are a far cry from the cold, hungry,
wounded veteran of 140 years ago scribbling what may be his last letter to
his wife on a scrap of recycled paper, praying not only that he might
survive the next charge, but that his wife and children have not been raped
or captured by the enemy, that his home and farm have not been burned, that
his letter may get through enemy lines to give hope and comfort to his
desperate family. How dare these "journalists" side with those who would
rewrite history - all to sell a few papers. Big Journalism lies, they
deceive, they distort, and they claim to be "objective." These prostitutes
of propaganda are unworthy of the standard of honor set for them by their
betters of 140 years ago!
How dare modern conservatives like George Will write columns which call
for the removal of Confederate flags, justified by "economics"? As if our
ancestors' mortal remains and memories are for sale to the highest bidder,
as if real estate deals, advertising, and tourism dollars count more than
the sacrifices of a generation willing to die for liberty, the George Wills
of the world would have us desecrate our own mothers' graves if the price is
right.
How dare conservative presidential candidate John McCain - himself a
veteran and former prisoner of war - call for the removal of a Confederate
memorial? How dare this man redeem the memories of the valor of thousands
of brave soldiers like a ten-cent coupon in his quest to become president?
And how dare other conservative politicians ride the fence, waffle, and
avoid the issue? Are black votes so dear as to warrant turning one's back
upon fallen American veterans? Is there no honor left in a man when he
seeks high office in a major political party?
How dare modern liberals join whole-heartedly in this war against
historical truth? While Al Gore - who has convinced himself he invented the
Internet - can hardly be expected to be honorable about anything, one would
hope that a man who has so long served in Congress and in the vice
presidency would at least have some appreciation for those who sacrificed
their very lives in patriotic public service. How dare liberals in the
South Carolina legislature be so quick to rip down a war memorial so as to
appease a small minority of malcontents. Is there nothing to which these
people will not stoop in order to hold on to power?
How dare universities beat the drum to remove the Confederate flag -
citing a desire not to upset the applecart in recruiting blacks to play
football? While the universities no longer educate their students in
American history - turning instead to politically-correct mythology and
relativist philosophy - they are concerned about the welfare of precious
(and highly lucrative) sports programs. Should we be surprised? Half a
century ago, the Citadel (of all places) bulldozed headstones of dead
veterans (as well as that of a child), let the unmarked graves remain, and
erected football stadium on the site of this desecration. Honoring the war
dead doesn't bring home the bacon these days - cheering football fans do.
College football has not only replaced honor in much of Dixie - it has
become the New Religion of the New South - a religion that promotes victory
over honor and money over principle. How dare they?
And how dare modern South Carolinian (and American) men shrug
indifferently in the face of this attack on historical truth, honor,
patriotism, and devotion to duty? How dare modern men spend thousands upon
thousands of dollars in entertaining themselves - while donating not a penny
to the memories of the men and women who died so as to bequeath the liberty
which has made modern prosperity possible for them? How dare modern men
spend thousands of hours watching brain-numbing television, banal movies,
mindless sporting events, and likewise squandering their liberties, yet are
"too busy" to attend a rally, a meeting of a heritage group, or even read a
single book to educate themselves about the past? Why are today's fathers
not teaching their sons how to be men, taking them to visit war memorials,
and setting the example in their own family lives?
How dare the women's movement of today - in complete contrast to the
ladies all across the South after the war - refuse to take part in the
effort to preserve memorials to our fallen war dead? With few exceptions,
most of the well-publicized and well-heeled women's organizations today
spend millions of dollars convincing women that infanticide is their right,
that perversity is a virtue, and that family is a low priority in the lives
of women. While modern women may believe they are "freer" than the ladies
that raised the funds to build the Capitol monument to the South Carolina
war dead, they are, in fact, slaves to the notion of "modernity" - being
told what to think and how to act by a smug and hateful group of
manipulators. These modern organizations are devoted to enriching
themselves at the expense of truth, while the honorable ladies of the 19th
century devoted themselves to truth even at the expense of their own
"convenience" and "choice." Our modest grandmothers had more dignity and
honor in their humble bake-sales to pay for war memorials than all the
high-profile power-moms hurrying around in BMWs, calling the nanny on the
cell phone, seeking only to glorify themselves and their whims. Is this
what life and liberty boil down to?
The blood of our ancestors cries out to us - from unfound, unmarked,
unknown graves in Pennsylvania, to battlefield cemeteries in Florida. From
the hills of Virginia to the plains of Texas. From Indian Territory in
Oklahoma, to the disputed bluegrass of Kentucky, these men lie buried. As a
result, all Americans have a legacy of resistance to the very same federal
tyranny that squeezes us today. That unique generation of Americans
demonstrated that honor is not for sale, that the deaths of even hundreds of
thousands of people is preferable to apathy in the face of subjugation, that
freedom is not free, and that constitutional liberty is worth dying for.
These Americans also demonstrated to us that honoring our past is a duty -
and that to shirk that duty makes us unworthy of not only our heritage, but
of liberty itself.
No more names are being read, the bell is silent now, and General
Washington's statue once again stands alone. For the time being, the
Confederate monument remains at the base of the Capitol, and the Memorial
Confederate battle flag still honors the veterans, beneath Old Glory and the
Palmetto flag of the State of South Carolina. Now other bells must ring at
the Capitol - the bells of the telephones of the representatives charged
with running the state government. Today's politicians must be told in no
uncertain terms that these veterans are not - and will never be - forgotten.
Honor is not for sale. Freedom is not free. But they cost some
generations more than others. We are not being asked to charge breastworks
in the face of cannon fire, nor to rot away in a filthy prison camp. Our
duty today is to write our local newspapers, phone, fax, and e-mail our
representatives, educate the public about our gallant American history as
well as the political whoremongering which goes on in the name of civil
rights today. Most of all, we have the duty to never forget what our
ancestors were willing to do to secure liberty for us and for our
descendants.
How dare we do anything less? Larry L. Beane II

David Allen

The original Pledge of Allegiance was written by Baptist minister
Francis Bellamy in 1892. In his sermons and lectures he described in
detail how the
middle class could create a planned economy with political, social, and
economic equality for all. Bellamy was forced to leave his Baptist church
in Boston
because of his extremist socialist sermons

As chairman of a committee of the National Educators Association, he
structured the public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a
flag salute--his Pledge of Allegiance. This is the original pledge: "I
pledge
allegiance to my flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all". The pledge has been changed twice. In
1923
the words were changed from, "my flag", to "the Flag of the United States
of America".
In 1954 the words, "under God", were added.

According to Bellamy, the true reason for the allegiance to the flag of
the United States is what the Civil War was fought to prove. "To make that
one idea (of one nation) clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as
Webster
and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches". If the war was fought
for
this purpose, why would Northern children need the pledge? However, if
Southern
children were required to recite the pledge, they would eventually win the
war
against State citizens who re-fused to be nationalized. In schools
indoctrination,
reconstruction and cultural genocide continue to this day.

The pledge is not required by the U. S. Government. Therefore it is
unofficial. David Allen
This research was done and written after an incident at a camp meeting in
1997. It was published in Southern Events and later placed on the Southern
Traditionalist web. The following are notes I have saved in my Pledge file
from Internet discussions or related articles.

The pledge is to our federal republic, but the republic is misidentified as
one and indivisible. The history of secession and constitutional
ratification by the English and by extension Americans doesn't lead to an
understanding of a perpetual "nation."

The most appropriate and legal pledge is a pledge to support, protect, and
defend the Constitution, which created the federal republic...but not parts
that were added by force and fraud.

Anyone interested in a sound Southern perspective of the POA would do well to
read, "I Pledge Allegiance to What? -- When Patriotic Emblems Contradict
Constitutional Principles," by the Rev. Phillip J. Palmertree. His article
eloquently addresses the oft-repeated claim that conscientious objection to
the Pledge somehow exhibits disrespect toward those who served in the United
States Military.

Do you have an explanation for this discrepancy in your logic? Hint: You
can salute the U.S. flag, be loyal to the U.S.A., and be a John By-God Birch
American and still refuse to recite the socialist (and
constitutionally-incorrect) Pledge of Allegiance.

Once again, loyalty to the U.S. is not equivalent to reciting the pledge of
allegiance. Refusal to recite the pledge is not equal to disloyalty.

In the book, "Confederates in the Attic", Tony Horowitz points out that Sons
of Confederate Veterans who Pledge and then salute their Battle Flag
contradict themselves.

A persons degree of brainwashing or indoctrination can be determined if he
continues to Pledge after he discovers the truth. Words have deep meaning.

You should face the fact that each time you raise
old gory, and chant your heretical pledge, that you are
accessory to the yankee's evil deeds. -xxxxx